Well, you convinced me. I'm gonna stick with the SPI and turbo it. I just need to know a few things about turboing. I'll create a list of stuff and later what i plan on doing with other stuff etc.
1. Besides the manifold, turbo and intercooler, what parts are needed for turbo power??
2. Now about the stock ecu?? do i need a new ecu like a superchip?? or are there other applications?? or can the stock ecu handle the turbo power??
3. Is a new MAF sensor recommended and what kind will i be able to use??
4. Oh yeah the IMRC split port thing? would i need to disable it so the butterflies are open. also are these butterflies located in the intake manifold or in the head?? just wondering cuz i figured that these would interfere with the turbo operation.
If anyone knows of an excellent how to for the mustang t/b mod or can do it for me or knows someone who can, pm me and it would be greatly appreciated. If the butterflies are indeed inside the intake manifold where could i get a new manifold or could a machine shop take care of it??
Thanks to jeffescortlx for pushing me in the right direction before i blew a buttload to do the zetec transplant. now all i need to do is throw in a ib5 manual trans and im set. unless there is a better trans out there. thanks again for any info that can be provided
the IMRC is located in a metal plate that sits between the intake manifold and the cylander head. It would be best to go ahead and remove the butterflies and weld up the holes that run between the runners.
last I saw, there was a how to for the mustang TB on focus hacks. But you can buy a BDR TB, so you may rather do that.
I think I answered the rest of your questions in the other thread.
only thing is with the bdr t/b its so damn expensive. the mustang t/b is larger and can be obtained for about $25
also are there an other transferable parts say from the windstar or taurus that are easily transferable???
So this T3 turbo, what vehicles was it used on?? i'm lookin for a cheap turbo that works well, spools up quick and doesnt fail premaurely and won't destroy my engine.
Okay, heres the deal, this turbo project is going to be done with what i have or what i can get real cheap or easily, so i'm not gonna run out and spend alot of cash. as an added bonus. it's prolly gonna take me a hella long time. i hope before the end of the year i can say i'm running boosted.
Last edited on Mon Feb 28th, 2005 04:57 pm by docinsano
well, I dont know what if any vehicles came stock with the T3 but its an upgrade for the mitsu's and its the turbo used in Tom's kits as well as others. the garrett T-28 is also a popular one. Seen a few Foci using the stock WRX turbo (dont know what it is).
when you shop for a turbo, you need one that is efficient for your engine. you need to determine the need of your engine, (will post equations for this later) and study the compressor maps of the turbos you are considering. this way you will get a good turbo for your application.
As far as intercoolers go, dont cheap out on this. you need one that is efficient in both cooling and pressure. If you have to churn out 15psi to make 8 at the IM, then your intercooler is killing you.
When I do my engine swap, I will have a BDR TB for sale. if you still need one then, we can work something out on the cheap.
AAAHUUGG! Dont remove the IMRC butteryflies! It actully does more good with a turbo than it does N/A. Infact I have them closed longer on my boosted SPI than my N/A SPI. The low end tourq is greater and seem's to spool quicker because of the more efficent low end power.
Dont worry about about the throttle body, dont even bother with changing it. It's not really a main factor at all.
docinsano wrote:
Okay, heres the deal, this turbo project is going to be done with what i have or what i can get real cheap or easily, so i'm not gonna run out and spend alot of cash.
Your gonna have to change you thinking real quick. It does'nt have to cost a ton if you know what your looking for, where to go and what to pay, but turbo charging a Focus is'nt gonna be "real cheap" so you can just get that idea out of your head. A bit ago you where willing to spend thousands for a Zetec swap for 130hp, now where talking about having well over 200hp and now you dont have any money?
yeah i really dont know what to do right now. i could do the zetec swap at the end of the summer if i save up so thats an option. or i could just buy a repairable and keep the spi too. or i could turbo the spi. i just really dont know. i have all the options but i dont know which is better, more effiecient, and will get my car all kicky fast. this turbo project isnt going to be done tomorrow. its a summer project i plan on doing if i even do it. i just need the motivation to turbo the spi. The only thing i am really freakin' out about is the valve seats poppin off if the engine gets too hot as i do not know if this is a spi specific problem. its happened to me before however and it really sucked alot. just get this out of my head if you can. the spi just looks so flimsy and weak to me. like it'll fall apart if i push it too hard. so mr. jeffescortlx share your spi wisdom with me as i'd really like to know more about where to get some bitchin parts such as the turbo manifold and turbo. also where to get new valvetrain if i decide to upgrade that, besides EFP, since i haven't heard much good from them lately. I really would like to turbo the spi i just need someone to get the crap out of my head cuz i just for some reason think the spi is a piece of shit. maybe its because one failed on me. slap me in the face and tell me to turbo it. thats all i need. thanks. bye.
Just to clarify by "real cheap" i mean i'm not gonna run out and buy a $2100 GReddy or HKS turbo kit. I'm sayin if a friend of mine has got a spare turbo or intercooler i'll take it off their hands for 'em.
Last edited on Tue Mar 1st, 2005 03:40 am by docinsano
docinsano wrote: yeah i really dont know what to do right now. i could do the zetec swap at the end of the summer if i save up so thats an option. or i could just buy a repairable and keep the spi too. or i could turbo the spi. i just really dont know. i have all the options but i dont know which is better, more effiecient, and will get my car all kicky fast. this turbo project isnt going to be done tomorrow. its a summer project i plan on doing if i even do it. i just need the motivation to turbo the spi. The only thing i am really freakin' out about is the valve seats poppin off if the engine gets too hot as i do not know if this is a spi specific problem. its happened to me before however and it really sucked alot. just get this out of my head if you can. the spi just looks so flimsy and weak to me. like it'll fall apart if i push it too hard. so mr.
jeffescortlx share your spi wisdom with me as i'd really like to know more about where to get some bitchin parts such as the turbo manifold and turbo.
docinsano wrote: yeah man, i was just thinking about it, i dont think im gonna turbo it. although me and my buddy know this guy that makes turbo manifolds and he prolly could hook me up with one.
Zetec swap or turbo SPI?:
Either way your looking at $1000+, one will get you 130hp and maybe a 16 second time slip with a 5 speed swap, and the other will get you 200+hp.
You seem to be convinced that the SOHC is flimsy and weak, but I suggest you just look here: http://www.focaljet.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2416536298&page=&fpart=1&vc=1
Now look at both hp and tq, now look where the SOHC fit's into the list. Not too bad hua?
If any thing, the Zetec has a reputation of having a weak bottom. If the tuning is'nt just perfect, you either loose a piston or rod. But some have had really good luck and have boosted on a stock bottom for many miles. I'm not a noob, I've been around both the Zetec and CVH Forums, I've seen the SOHC beat'n plenty hard, but yet I've seen very few broken SOHC bottoms.
docinsano wrote:
also where to get new valvetrain if i decide to upgrade that, besides EFP, since i haven't heard much good from them lately. I really would like to turbo the spi i just need someone to get the crap out of my head cuz i just for some reason think the spi is a piece of shit. maybe its because one failed on me. slap me in the face and tell me to turbo it. thats all i need. thanks. bye.
Just to clarify by "real cheap" i mean i'm not gonna run out and buy a $2100 GReddy or HKS turbo kit. I'm sayin if a friend of mine has got a spare turbo or intercooler i'll take it off their hands for 'em.
Dont even think about doing any kind of head work if you dont have the money for nice turbo hardware and tunning. Put valve work and throttle body's at the very bottom of your money list.
Valve seat's can drop on the CVH, it happneds. But I've boosted 3 different CVH's and own a total of 4 and none of them have dropped a valve seat. There are aftermarket valve seat's and there are some improved castings from ford, so if your really worried about it, it can be prevented.
docinsano wrote: okay, so start me off on where to get some of these parts.
docinsano wrote: yeah man, i was just thinking about it, i dont think im gonna turbo it. although me and my buddy know this guy that makes turbo manifolds and he prolly could hook me up with one.
regardless, where did you find your parts. custom built from a kit?? or through someone who makes manifolds?? also i said probably, so im not for sure yet. but what i really want to know is where you found your parts so i have a starting point. and as for ib5 trannys i have no idea where to look.
Now as for turboing a spi vs. a zetec which one would have higher numbers?? or would they be similar?? just wondering on that one.
Last edited on Wed Mar 2nd, 2005 04:34 pm by docinsano
docinsano wrote: regardless, where did you find your parts. custom built from a kit?? or through someone who makes manifolds?? also i said probably, so im not for sure yet. but what i really want to know is where you found your parts so i have a starting point. and as for ib5 trannys i have no idea where to look.
The BOV, intercooler, pipeing and most of the turbo came from a local junk yard off of other turbo car's. My FMU and injectors came from ebay, my gauges and FPR came from summmitracing.com, the other half of my turbo and oil feed block came from turboford.org, my manifold is a OEM Escort manifold from an old guy in a van down by the river, no really he had a bunch of old rare Ford parts. The down pipe is made by me with parts store exshaust pipe, and the oil lines came from the parts store also.
docinsano wrote:
Now as for turboing a spi vs. a zetec which one would have higher numbers?? or would they be similar?? just wondering on that one.
Did you see that link in my post above?
Plus there too many varibles, if every thing was exsactly the same, the Zetec will make high number's per pound of boost because of the higher compresstion ratio and better head flow, but I belive the SOHC can make the same power with a little more boost and do it reliably. Like I said before, the SOHC seem's to deal with boost better. Plus SOHC motor's are cheaper to replace if somthing did go wrong.
Last edited on Wed Mar 2nd, 2005 05:22 pm by jeffescortlx
You are right. Fuck it, its only a car, or only an engine. I'm gonna push it as far as it will let me push it. From what i heard the ib5 is a better tranny so i'll throw one into the mix. The one and only thing that makes the spi look so shitty is the valve cover. i think i'll end up turboing the spi then. fuck zetec power for now. i can do with out the extra cam. okay. i think i'm ready to go. just need some time to find parts. oh yeah. BTW what injectors will i be able to use with the spi??
docinsano wrote:
The one and only thing that makes the spi look so shitty is the valve cover.
lol oh boy.
docinsano wrote:
i think i'll end up turboing the spi then. fuck zetec power for now. i can do with out the extra cam. okay. i think i'm ready to go. just need some time to find parts. oh yeah. BTW what injectors will i be able to use with the spi??
Turboing any motor is a long and exspensive process. To keep from wasting money on parts that wont work, I'd suggest to just do lot's of research, before you buy any parts. To start with, do some searching on the "MIC" and "SCT". There's a lot of info at Focaljet.com on that. It's gonna take some time and money, but it's worth every bit.
well man, looks like i've got a plan. long and expensive will be right. but i think it'll be worth it. hey ur from mn, right?? i thoght i saw ur name on the jet and escort owners club?? but anyways i'll keep you up to date and u can give me some super spi pointers. peace out.
