I believe with the vortech you have to attatch the blower to the block and then run the rod over to the belt side. I am pretty sure the oil line taps into the oil pan, I dont know where the hell to get from the block unless there was a blanking plug or something.
what Ive heard about the vortech is that boost is low untill after 3K and that full boost is right at redline.
dont know anything about procharger at this point.
All I know is that the Vortech is better than the JRSC. I was trolling around vortechs site today (most of which is junk) so I couldn't get much info there. With there more expensive looking kit, they say you get about 200whp and 160+ wtq, not great numbers in the grand scheme of things, but more than my needs would require. I'm also thinking that as much as it seems nice to have all that power accessible at low RPM, that just seems like a recipe for wheel spin to me. I think a nice balanced power curve will suit my needs very nicely.
my goals are certainly no more than 200whp and probably morel likely to be less than that about 180whp with no more than 180wtq. At this point I'm not interested in having to get a differential just to get all the power to the ground adequately. Minimizing wheel spin is also a big deal though. I understand that turbos are fantastic and all, and trust me if I wanted to make more power then that is the way to go in my eyes, but I also don't much like the way the turbo's look under the hood, nor all the major major tuning headaches that come from them.
what tuning problems do you have with a turbo that you dont have with a supercharger? boost is boost, timing has to be pulled and fuel added. if you want around 200hp at the crank then just about any kit is gonna do it for you. I would decide on cost including tuning, reliability of parts, ease of installation, and potential for upgrade. I think a vortech would work very well for you. it has the after cooler and there is a FMIC available too IIRC.
well my only issues with turbo's usually comes down to MAFS stuff. I'm not a fan of having the MAFS before the turbo, since it doesn't really calculate the temperature of the air that the engine sees, I realize there is a little play there no matter what, but when you figure it measures more or less ambient air and is then passed through the compressor (raising air temperature) and then through the intercooler (cooling the air temperature) on the other side of that you've got something that is pretty much a crap shoot. If something gets in front of your intercooler, or god knows what, you could say bye bye to engine in no time. I think a supercharge is a little easier to predict in it's operation thats all, I'm not saying it's any less of a pain though. I think coming straight from a factory making the power I want the vortech looks like the better deal. You can buy it ready to make the power you want and everything. Like I said, I'm not looking for monster power here, just something to really wake the car up. ( I should also note, this is probably down the road a bit).
superchargers have the same maf issues as turbo. Its either suck thru or blow thru. with the JRSC, it mounts to the manifold so the MAF is a suck thru. the vortech is a centrifugal so you can either put the maf in front or behind the charger.Its all the same. If you really want to meter the air in the boost stream, get a kit from CFM to seperate the IAT from the MAF. Use the MAF as a suck thru and the indepaendant IAT to measure temp of the boost stream.
I suppose that's true, I don't know, I'm always a little leary of how turbo stuff is done, at least with the supercharger it's more consistent. At this RPM you have this much boost, that sort of thing, I don't know. Trust me, I know that if I want alot of power the simplest way to do it is with a turbo on this small 4 banger, but I'm looking for comfortable increase without having so much I can't use it all.
all you have to do with a turbo is adjust the wastegate. If you want 6psi, you set the wastegate for that and you will never go over 6 (unless you get boost creep but thats a wastegate issue) the best part is that if you are holding 6 and you shift, you will still be very near six after the shift. with the supercharger, you drop boost at shifts. You can do whatever you want, SC is good too.
It's always a matter of choice here...it's tough to gauge, I hear so many good things about turbo's but there certainly has to be benefit to superchargers beyond the turbo stuff. I guess one thing is not having an intercooler to worry about, the aftercooler is stuffed up under the hood right? At least I don't have to worry about rocks and junk pinging of my intercooler. I guess I really like how a supercharger sounds versus a turbo, all that cool sounding whine. Plus, what's the reading on exhaust, a 2 1/2" would suffice on a supercharger wouldn't it?
aquamist is a water/methynol injection system. There is the aquamist system that is computer controlled and programeable, pretty pricey. there is also a mechanical system that uses your boost pressure to pressurize a tank and thereby use just a regular pump to shoot the solution into the boost stream.
Overall, it cleans combution chambers and lowers air temp. good system.
You have to have good tunning no matter what kind of boost you are running.
The Procharger is one of the best sc choice's. You don't have to tap the block and it uses a intercooler. The other sc on the market either are a PITA to install,Vortec, or produce to little power for the money, JRSC.
The better FI set-ups are all suck throught systems because this makes the MAFS readings less crazy. Most cars with factory turbo are either suck throught or use MAPS.
Tom's starter kit is right around the same price as a Vortec unit. His kit is super reliable and a blast to drive.
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I guess, it still goes back to what you want in a kit. I don't like having to manipulate the exhaust manifolds, having to move the cat possibly...(does Tom's kit even USE the cat?) Having the turbo sit so low to the ground really (especially being in Maine) among the fact that you then typically need to see a 3" exhaust for fast spooling, or who knows what. Frankly I'm not to terribly interested in dealing with all that exhaust work, it seems irritating to think that it's so dependent on that one part of the car. I like the pretty much wholly self contained principle of the supercharger. It is driven by the engine RPM's, very little effects its operation except for that true mechanical difference. I just don't feel that a turbo is practical for the application I'm looking for.
