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 Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2005 06:11 am
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Hi. I need some help here.

I have a ST 170 and I am trying to  find a Supercharger for it.What Is the American equivelent of the ST170, I thought it was the SVT. Jackson racing do one but it looks like its for the 2.0 ltr Zetec. Its a roots type charger anyway and they are very inefficent.I am looking for a centrafugal type for the 2.0 ltr Duratec engine.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2005 01:46 pm
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I believe if your engine looks like the engine of the SVT even if it says Duratec it's a Zetec. The RS engine is actually a Zetec engine even though it says duratec something about the differences across the pond. Either way, if the ST170 is the same as the SVT including engine then there is the Jackson Racing roots type blower, and I'm not 100% sure but Vortech might make a centrifugal.



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 Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2005 10:22 pm
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Doesn't the st170 have vvt?

I'm not sure if it's exactly the same, their could be differences in the ECU.

Yes, Vortec does make a sc for the svtf.

Here are the specifications for the svtf, compare yor st 170 to it;

Configuration:  Inline 4-cylinder, cast iron block, precision die-cast aluminum head, cast aluminum pistons, forged steel connecting rods, nodular cast-iron crankshaft, dual-mass flywheel

Bore x Stroke:  84.8mm x 88.0mm

Displacement:  1,988cc; 121 cu. in.

Compression ratio:  10.2:1

Horsepower:  170@ 7,000rpm

Torque:  145@ 5,500rpm

Specific output:  85 horsepower per liter

Redline:  7,200rpm

Valvetrain:  Double overhead camshafts, four valves per cylinder, variable cam timing on the intake camshaft

Intake valves:  Two per cylinder, 33.5mm head diameter

Exhaust valves:  Two per cylinder, 28mm head diameter

Ignition system:  Ford Electonic Distributorless

Fuel system:  Sequential electronic fuel injection

Intake manifold:  Dual-stage with 66mm throttle body

Hope this information helps.



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 Posted: Fri Apr 1st, 2005 05:28 am
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Excellent, Thats the one.

Thanks for your help.

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Mana: 
 Posted: Fri Apr 1st, 2005 02:51 pm
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I like turbo better but if I had to recomend a supercharger kit I would go with the vortech. (centrifugal)



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 Posted: Fri Apr 1st, 2005 07:13 pm
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The Vortec sc is much better than a roots style blower.
I would look into the Paxton sc, it has a few more benfits over the Vortec unit.
1) Uses an intercooler rather than a aftercooler.
2) Self-contained oil, not need to tap the block which makes it much easier to install.



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 Posted: Fri Apr 1st, 2005 09:34 pm
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I always hear about tapping the block. really, how bad is it? you just drill a hole in the bottom of the windage tray or top of the oil pan and then weld a threaded bung to it.



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 Posted: Fri Apr 1st, 2005 09:38 pm
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I don't think it's to bad, but alot of people I've talked to are afraid to do it.
Also Vortec is fairly complex to install, I've heard about 10-15 hours to do the install.



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 Posted: Tue Apr 5th, 2005 02:07 pm
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I like the powerworks design I read about in Focus Fanatic. That looks nice.



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 Posted: Tue Apr 5th, 2005 10:04 pm
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The Powerworks blower is nice but, it's still a roots type blower.  As the rpm's increase the roots type blowers become more inefficent.  Also you can plan to spend some serious cash because it has a Cosworth decal.



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 Posted: Wed Apr 6th, 2005 02:09 pm
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heck I'll take inefficient the numbers were still 200+ hp, 200+tq, I was pretty impressed, even if it's a roots type blower, with the nice plenum style intake manifold and all included parts, I'd be happy with it. I was impressed it made as good numbers as it did, considering the lackluster performance of some of the other superchargers on the market.



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 Posted: Sat Apr 9th, 2005 03:16 pm
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Looking at the Cosworth site it says 200bhp, so it's more like 172whp.

The good thing is I'm sure it has a great warrenty.



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 Posted: Sat Apr 9th, 2005 03:31 pm
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that's true about warranty, I'd have to check the Focus Fanatic Mag about the numbers they had a big dyno chart in there at the wheels.  It also looks very nice and clean in the engine bay have you seen the FF mag rex?



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 Posted: Sun Apr 10th, 2005 03:20 am
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I've seen the vortech supercharger, it looks a bit sloppy. you have to remove the battery and everything. I have been looking at at a company called Procharger Superchargers or something to the same effect. It look nice and neat with good numbers. anybody else have any info, has anyone fitted one.

P.S. if anyone is talking to Docinsano who was also thinking of building an SVT Sedan, Tell him to just buy a SVT and weld a sedan boot on the back, it will be cheaper.

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 Posted: Sun Apr 10th, 2005 03:57 am
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Well the vortech doesn't remove the battery, it just relocates it by lowering the battery mount.  Some people fear having to tap the block for oil but I've heard others say that this wasn't so bad.  I've seen photos of the procharger one, the only thing that ever concerns me with that is that the supercharger seems a bit low to the ground for my tastes, but then again I live in a state where roads are thought of as some mysterious material that just shows up on its own and needs no further maintenance, so I spend most of my time dodging holes in the ground that are so deep I swear I could order chinese food from them.



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 Posted: Sun Apr 10th, 2005 05:31 am
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I see, Our entire countries roads are like that, but your state is probably bigger.I have no fear of tapping the block its just that the vortech one looks ugly, that shaft that runs along the front and then the aftercooler. Actually, which is better? an aftercooler or intercooler. I'd imagine cooling after compression would be more efficient but would be restricted by the small size of the aftercooler.

I have to  admit that I have not seen prochargers one actually fitted to a focus. I assumed it was mounted on the cylinder head beside the cam pullies. Can you tell me where I can find a picture of one installed.

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Mana: 
 Posted: Tue Feb 7th, 2006 04:01 pm
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I know a guy stock svt through on a powerworks SC he got a hell of alot more then 172 just ask people to post there dyno charts. it was a typo because it says bhp at the wheels.



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