Yeah, but we are still first. It's how you start out. Here you can get a quick jump on your opponent and start building momentum. This is the place they come FIRST to kiss the asses of the people. We are the FIRST to cast our votes.
This thread really took off and with so many key points. I agree with the others in that I have had enough of everything that is going on. And who ever is elected in has a lot on them to try and fix what has happened. I will vote, I'm thinking for Kerry. Edwards may be "unexperienced" as stated by the press. But I do think that the two of them will work well together.
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Jonny Bolt wrote: Yeah, but we are still first. It's how you start out. Here you can get a quick jump on your opponent and start building momentum. This is the place they come FIRST to kiss the asses of the people. We are the FIRST to cast our votes.
Thanks. Now it makes sense.
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03ChromeChica wrote: This thread really took off and with so many key points. I agree with the others in that I have had enough of everything that is going on. And who ever is elected in has a lot on them to try and fix what has happened. I will vote, I'm thinking for Kerry. Edwards may be "unexperienced" as stated by the press. But I do think that the two of them will work well together.
Lack of experience is not always a bad thing.
One young canadidate here when confronted with his absolute lack of political experience replied: " Are you suggesting that I ought to spend 20 years on 97th (local hooker row) so that I can be as effective as the others in Parliament?"
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I agree. The "experienced" blab about someone being inexperienced. But its the most experienced politicians who are usually the most corrupt and already bought and sold by god knows how many special interests.
It does not take politics to successfully run this country in the interests of its people, it takes politics to win the opportunity to do it.
Jonny Bolt wrote: It does not take politics to successfully run this country in the interests of its people, it takes politics to win the opportunity to do it.
I like the way Bush wasn't afraid to piss off those pussies in the UN. He don't give a shite what anybody thinks of him. I also believe that he did what he believes is best for the protection of America. I personally don't really care about that last part. I'd rather keep all my taxes and let Americas enemies get stronger. I don't need government. I'm not content with the boredom it produces. Yeah it is necessary with the humongous populations of today to keep order, but that's just boring too. I'm not trying to argue with those who enjoy the protections of more government and can have as much fun as they want within the restraints of this system, it just doesn't suit me. So with that said I will always choose the route I believe is farthest away from socialism, which definitly not the Democratic route.
it says you are from Venezuala, is that correct? Either way studies show that the Iraq invasion has made the US more vulnerable to attack than increasing protection. It would be nice if we didn't have to have such things as laws to protect citizens, but we've seen how well that works, just as the other extreme which is communism. I love hearing the more "libertarian" countries step forward and talk about the banes of socialism, and government, the same countries that have for years now struggled economically and socially because of severe social decay induced by the lack of authority. Let's face it, you can't have it both ways.
I find the first few lines to be some of the best information that most didn't or do not know about the Republican party's roots.
"These Republicans, upholders of the liberal tradition, elected in James Madison (1808 and 1812), James Monroe (1816 and 1820). In 1824, however, the party destroyed itself."
Republican and Libral in the same sentance...what a concept!
Lincoln was a Republican too btw.
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Chelly02 wrote: I find the first few lines to be some of the best information that most didn't or do not know about the Republican party's roots.
"These Republicans, upholders of the liberal tradition, elected in James Madison (1808 and 1812), James Monroe (1816 and 1820). In 1824, however, the party destroyed itself."
Republican and Libral in the same sentance...what a concept!
Lincoln was a Republican too btw.
I'm trying to figure out how the whole United Statesian political structure works. Your next election is going to be very important not only to you but to the rest of the planet as well.
Captain J put it : "I like the way Bush wasn't afraid to piss off those pussies in the UN."
Not to put too fine a point on it, there are others outside the U.S. who have a substantially different take on it.
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Codger wrote: I'm trying to figure out how the whole United Statesian political structure works. Not to put too fine a point on it, there are others outside the U.S. who have a substantially different take on it.
Point #1 - Keep on trying because I think everyone else here who is from the US has lost the true meaning of it all as well.
point #2 - I have no doubt in my mind that the rest of the world looks in on us and wonders
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LOL, as far as the US and the UN goes, blatent hypocrisy on the US side. OUr Government said that Iraq had broken UN rules, sanctions, and regulations (not to mention WMD's), and what does Bushy do? GO AGAINST THE UN IN ORDER TO INVADE. So dont go against the UN people! Or else we'll GO AGAINST THE UN and invade your asshole!!! YEAH! A policy GUARANTEED to breed a neverending supply of terrorism. We look like H Y P O C R I T E S.
Talk about breaking UN regulations, Israel has broken 10 times as many UN regulations for 5 times as long, and I dont see any action from us on that. HYPOCRITES.
And we wonder why Europe either...
A.) Thinks we're (in general) arrogant and hypocritical, and use favoritism in our foreign policies.
Codger wrote: Chelly02 wrote: I find the first few lines to be some of the best information that most didn't or do not know about the Republican party's roots.
"These Republicans, upholders of the liberal tradition, elected in James Madison (1808 and 1812), James Monroe (1816 and 1820). In 1824, however, the party destroyed itself."
Republican and Libral in the same sentance...what a concept!
Lincoln was a Republican too btw.
I'm trying to figure out how the whole United Statesian political structure works. Your next election is going to be very important not only to you but to the rest of the planet as well.
Captain J put it : "I like the way Bush wasn't afraid to piss off those pussies in the UN."
Not to put too fine a point on it, there are others outside the U.S. who have a substantially different take on it.
What part are you trying to understand Codger? Despite the infinite complexity that is the politico crap, the ideas are pretty simple. If you have specific questions ask away, I was once a civics buff.
There are structures like the "Electoral College" that don't seem to exist anywhere else.
The US has elections for Congress, the Senate and the President. The whole system has it's reasons for evolving and I'm just trying to get a handle on it.
It seems as if the system should work and be accountable to the people who vote but it appears to have a malfunction somewhere.
Are you aware that the only other countries that have had as many assasination attempts made by their own people on their presidents or leaders of equivalent position in the same period of time are third world and pretty nasty places. I found that rather surprising and distateful.
I know from my own schooling that a United Statesian named Joshua P. Benjamin was present in the U.K. when Canada's BNA Act was being written and created glitches that are still causing constitutional glitches even now.
I'm starting to think that FDR was a pretty bright man.
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There are structures like the "Electoral College" that don't seem to exist anywhere else.
The US has elections for Congress, the Senate and the President. The whole system has it's reasons for evolving and I'm just trying to get a handle on it.
It seems as if the system should work and be accountable to the people who vote but it appears to have a malfunction somewhere.
Are you aware that the only other countries that have had as many assasination attempts made by their own people on their presidents or leaders of equivalent position in the same period of time are third world and pretty nasty places. I found that rather surprising and distateful.
I know from my own schooling that a United Statesian named Joshua P. Benjamin was present in the U.K. when Canada's BNA Act was being written and created glitches that are still causing constitutional glitches even now.
I'm starting to think that FDR was a pretty bright man.
Alright, the Electoral College...
When the US was founded, it was founded as a representative republic, not a pure democracy. The founding fathers and rightly so for the time, didn't trust the common public to make well advised judgements as to who should run the country, and thus formed the Electoral College. As it were the electoral college was the senators and representatives of each state. IE ME is worth 4 electoral votes, (I think) and has 2 senators and 2 representatives. The number of representatives truly determines the majority of electoral votes since it is based primarily on population, hence California has an electoral value of 55. The design was that the representatives and senators from a state would vote based on their constituents popular vote, however, allowing them to decide in cases where it may be obvious that the popular vote was swayed.
As time passed this worked extremely well, only twice in history (including the most recent Bush/Gore fiasco) has the non-popular president won the electoral vote. Since then the Electoral vote isn't so much the senators and representatives actually voting, it is out of their hands more or less and the popular vote in a state dictates who wins those electoral votes. The malfunction lies purely in the logistics. Whereas, voters in Maine carry less weight than say those of California. There has been alot of talk to the point of changing over to the true popular vote, but not much has come of that.
Honestly, I thought FDR was a genius, he managed to pull the US out of the worst economic and cultural decay of it's existence. He did so with innovation and compassion which is something our current system and administration lacks.
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