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Posted: Mon Jul 12th, 2004 01:34 am |
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Are these the qualities you want in your president? Some information on George W. Bush’s credentials and record.
Has was a cocaine user and has been convicted of DUI at least once (his Texas records are sealed).
Ran for congress and lost.
Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. Company was routinely bailed out by larger oil interests in Saudi Arabia until bankruptcy was inevitable, however Bush sold all his stock before declaring bankruptcy. All records of the SEC investigations into his insider trading and bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a deal that took land using tax-payer money. He traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.
With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
As governor, he helped to make Texas the most polluted state in the country, replacing Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government by billions of dollars. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.
Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes. The judges his father appointed to the Supreme Court and his brother Jeb saw to it that every vote did not count, thereby ensuring his “win.”
Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
He spent 40 percent of his first eight months in office on vacation, the most of any president in history. This was over the same period of time that he chose to not meet with his experts on terrorism and ignored a report entitled “Al Qaida determined to attack within the US.” He was then surprised by the September 11 attack.
Has failed to deliver on his pledge to get Osama Bin Laden “dead or alive.”
Attacked Iraq siting weapons of mass destruction and Iraqi connections to Al Qaida as the reasons war was the only option. His bases for war in Iraq, have been shown by independent commissions to be utter falsehoods.
He spent the 10-year budget surplus created by the Clinton administration and created the biggest annual deficit in American history.
The economy suffered under his presidency recording: a record for the most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period, the biggest drop in the history of the stock market, in his first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job, set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period, presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed (possibly due to his affiliations with Kenneth Lay of Enron), presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have, Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world, first president in US history to have all 50 states simultaneously go bankrupt.
Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history,
His biggest life-time campaign contributor was Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation who has been indicted for fraud.
Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
Sent more troops into harms way than any president since Vietnam, but cut healthcare benefits for war veterans. He, however, was AWOL from National Guard duty.
Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. Systemic abuse of Iraqi prisoners has come to light, further eroding the protections of the Geneva Convention for American troops.
First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission, and the elections monitoring board.
First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
Has significant business and personal connections to the companies that are manufacturing the electronic touch-screen voting machines and their software that will be used in much of the US for the 2004 election.
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So what do you expect for 2004?
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Posted: Mon Jul 12th, 2004 05:25 pm |
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Bush lies. So your immediate reaction is to vote in another life time career politician? Kerry lies to. It's just like a dog chasing its own tail. Your going around in circles, trading one politician for another. It's time to break that cycle.
Vote Independent. Shock the politicians. Turn Washington upside down. Their heads will spin. It's time to show them WE are the power. We can take it all back, it's that simple. Let them spend millions and millions on campaigns, only to FAIL. Independence will set you free...
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Posted: Mon Jul 12th, 2004 05:45 pm |
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| Jonny, I understand what you are saying, but both Nader, and Kucinich's policies aren't just against most of my ideas, they are down right scary. I vote on platform and policies, yeah, these guys lie, but I'm afraid of what would happen if somebody like Nader got into office.
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Posted: Mon Jul 12th, 2004 05:56 pm |
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Nader's Stand:
Opposes death penalty; says it doesn't deter crime, has racial and class bias
End 'drug war,' legalize some drugs; calls drug abuse a health problem
Calls retirement fund "solid," says no immediate changes needed
Increase corporate taxes; tax stock, bond sales; retain estate tax
Challenge drug industry, negotiate for cheaper drugs
Not to mention a slew of other things. Including Isolationism, and some other scary economic ideas. Needless to say...his economics aren't that great. He has good ideas on some things, but not any different than either of the major party nominees.
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Posted: Mon Jul 12th, 2004 07:26 pm |
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A President can just go off and start doing "scary" things. There is a Senate, and a Congress.
I just think its time to break the cycle. For once, if Americans just did something crazy, and elected an Independent candidate, the career politicians would poop themselves. They need to be put into their place. They need to be shown that the people are in charge, and that this country CAN and SHOULD be run in the interests of its own people.
F policies. F "PC". F politics. Do something crazy. Crazy enough to take your country back and show the "leaders" who's boss. I want to stun Washington. SHOCK & AWE.
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Posted: Mon Jul 12th, 2004 08:08 pm |
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Ya, tha fizzhog bomb.
I am gonna vote for Wesley Willis. Oh wait, he died. Shit.
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Posted: Mon Jul 12th, 2004 08:47 pm |
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| Well I'm not sure how the canadian government works (being in all parts fair and equal here), but with the established "Checks and Balances" in the US government, a stubborn radical president or vice versa an extremely partisan legislative branch, could make it difficult to pass anything through. The major problem being the executive branch (the pres) can veto the bill and it then requires 2/3rds majority to pass over him. Sometimes that 2/3rds majority is tough to get especially since there are two seperate legislative bodies, House of Reps and the Senate. And frankly as much as having an "Independant" president ( I highly doubt their independance given the position they are in) sounds like a good idea, Maine had one of few Independant Governors, and as much as he did right, he did very wrong. He had some great ideas and at the same time extremely poor methods with which to pay, and the current administration is suffering the deficit, still.
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Posted: Mon Jul 12th, 2004 09:00 pm |
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RPIJG wrote:
Well I'm not sure how the canadian government works (being in all parts fair and equal here), but with the established "Checks and Balances" in the US government, a stubborn radical president or vice versa an extremely partisan legislative branch, could make it difficult to pass anything through. The major problem being the executive branch (the pres) can veto the bill and it then requires 2/3rds majority to pass over him. Sometimes that 2/3rds majority is tough to get especially since there are two seperate legislative bodies, House of Reps and the Senate. And frankly as much as having an "Independant" president ( I highly doubt their independance given the position they are in) sounds like a good idea, Maine had one of few Independant Governors, and as much as he did right, he did very wrong. He had some great ideas and at the same time extremely poor methods with which to pay, and the current administration is suffering the deficit, still.
It's a tough situation. I don't hear from many United Statesians who are happy with their government as it operates now. For that matter many Canadians were rather unhappy with the Canadian government and the last election proved that. When 5%+ vote for candidates who don't have a chance of being elected there is a message being sent. A reasonable case can be made that those who didn't vote at all are at the point where they believe that nothing can be changed so they have just given up. I suppose that the key difference is that the Prime Minister is the leader of the governing party. Your system is different so electing indys may have a different impact.
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Posted: Tue Jul 13th, 2004 02:35 am |
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konaboy wrote:
Are these the qualities you want in your president? Some information on George W. Bush’s credentials and record.
Has was a cocaine user and has been convicted of DUI at least once (his Texas records are sealed).
Ran for congress and lost.
Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. Company was routinely bailed out by larger oil interests in Saudi Arabia until bankruptcy was inevitable, however Bush sold all his stock before declaring bankruptcy. All records of the SEC investigations into his insider trading and bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a deal that took land using tax-payer money. He traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.
With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
As governor, he helped to make Texas the most polluted state in the country, replacing Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government by billions of dollars. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.
Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes. The judges his father appointed to the Supreme Court and his brother Jeb saw to it that every vote did not count, thereby ensuring his “win.”
Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
He spent 40 percent of his first eight months in office on vacation, the most of any president in history. This was over the same period of time that he chose to not meet with his experts on terrorism and ignored a report entitled “Al Qaida determined to attack within the US.” He was then surprised by the September 11 attack.
Has failed to deliver on his pledge to get Osama Bin Laden “dead or alive.”
Attacked Iraq siting weapons of mass destruction and Iraqi connections to Al Qaida as the reasons war was the only option. His bases for war in Iraq, have been shown by independent commissions to be utter falsehoods.
He spent the 10-year budget surplus created by the Clinton administration and created the biggest annual deficit in American history.
The economy suffered under his presidency recording: a record for the most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period, the biggest drop in the history of the stock market, in his first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job, set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period, presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed (possibly due to his affiliations with Kenneth Lay of Enron), presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have, Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world, first president in US history to have all 50 states simultaneously go bankrupt.
Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history,
His biggest life-time campaign contributor was Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation who has been indicted for fraud.
Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
Sent more troops into harms way than any president since Vietnam, but cut healthcare benefits for war veterans. He, however, was AWOL from National Guard duty.
Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. Systemic abuse of Iraqi prisoners has come to light, further eroding the protections of the Geneva Convention for American troops.
First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission, and the elections monitoring board.
First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
Has significant business and personal connections to the companies that are manufacturing the electronic touch-screen voting machines and their software that will be used in much of the US for the 2004 election.
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hey konaboy,
why did you only point out his best accomplishments??? are you biased or sumthin' ???
Last edited on Tue Jul 13th, 2004 02:36 am by FLAZX5
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I hear what you are saying Jonny, but the problem then becomes you have a legislative branch and an executive branch unable to accomplish anything. Having a president that is so radical that he cannot do anything is just as bad as listening to them argue about it. And frankly not all politicians are in it for lucrative gain, as much as we all want to believe that.
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