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Posted: Fri Nov 5th, 2004 12:38 am |
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| Like anybody's really gonna have their life seriously affected by one president. Other than those directly linked to him, such as government workers and soldiers and such. You know, like LBJ and vietnam where he insisted 50,000 us troops die so he didn't have to back down. But other than situations like that, eh, who cares. And it is amusing, the distribution of state supporting the parties. The states with the highest population densities seem to vote liberal. I wouldn't say that has anything to do with education. You can teach monkeys sign language. Emphasis on education is invalid. If you had one of those cult members who castrated themselves then committed suicide to catch the comet and had him write a history book, you'd have a lot of people believing some really wierd things. Thats "education" for you. And I personally will always vote for whoever seems the least likely to take the money i earn and give it to other people and call it legitimate taxation. Anything state supported other than fire and police services, utilities, and the military is unecessary and unfair and something that I and any other who can wipe our own butts will have to deal with for the rest of our lives in this, your glorious republic of America. Well, I guess you could say life is unfair then. Yes it is. So, tough. Tough, to the less than half of the voting population who didn't get their way. I'll never get my way. I'll always have to live in someone elses world. Last edited on Fri Nov 5th, 2004 12:39 am by Captain J
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Posted: Fri Nov 5th, 2004 01:53 pm |
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| Tell ya what, when you lose your job and need unemployment wages, call me. When you get old enough to retire and can't afford health insurance call me. Public health isn't isolated. If people get sick they infect healthy people, and from there things only get worse. I'm the first to bitch when someone is abusing our social programs, but I'd be damned if I thought that I am so selfish and egocentric to believe that programs that help people aren't worth my time. Do some work again, these programs dug the united states out of the great depression. Then again, people don't seem to understand how that happened. I'm always amazed when I start to hear the voices of the "people", the same people who have spent there entire lives in the cozy wrap of freedom, of personal liberties. The voice that says, thanks for what you gave me but no thanks, I'd like to take some of this freedom away from others. I'd like to take away the rights of people to decide who they can love, I want to take away a womens rights to her own body. I want to take away the rights of foreigners, and everyone else that isn't a white christian man to have due process, and not be detained without concrete reason. I want my right to privacy to be invaded. This country has become a country full of hypocrites. You've got the religious majority, going against everything this country was founded on, while thinking they are doing everything for it. Apparently they don't remember the time when we left a place because the same thing was happening. Leaving to start a country where this wasn't supposed to happen. Right...good luck. And to say that one president isn't going to affect your life is without a doubt the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. He already HAS affected my life, try going for 2 years looking for a better job in the science industry and having to settle with something well below your ability because that is all that's left. To watch the once strong science section of our country being decimated at every turn because of a president who I honestly believe thinks that science is witch medicine. But make no mistake if he comes down with Parkinson's or Alzheimer's he'd change his tune in a heartbeat. Do you know what the definition of a person who changes their mind only when it suits their needs? A hypocrite. Last edited on Fri Nov 5th, 2004 01:54 pm by RPIJG
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Posted: Fri Nov 5th, 2004 02:28 pm |
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| People get themselves into situations where they "need" social services. I don't. Why? Because I'm not lazy. I won't need unemployment because i take care of my finances. Finances that are dipped into because people have weaknesses that impose on other people. And I won't need healthcare because i don't get sick, I'm not afraid of dying and, once again, I take care of my finances. People who can't take care of their finances are not my problem. They are not my children. Their parents should have taught them better. But that all goes back to stupidity. 3/4 of the population are stupid or worse. There's enough charity in this country to take care of what i believe are the needy. And ww2 is what officially dug us out of the great depression. The rest really didn't work all that well. Social security was intended to get the old people out of the work force. That was nice but not worth my buck. And... this country was founded on christianity. Yup, Jesus. Not "religion". Not freedom of religion. Not separation of Jesus and the government. But then again, you can't force someone to believe the truth if they don't want to. Socialism is alive in other countries. Oh, like France. A craphole that liberals are trying to turn this country into. Hey, you want the government to take care of everything for you in exchange for your work? Go to France. I hear its lovely.
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Posted: Fri Nov 5th, 2004 03:28 pm |
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Captain J - you had better hope like hell that you NEVER experience an illness like I have had to deal with for the past 24 years of my life!
I have had to worry so much about where I was going to get my life saving medication that I made myself even more ill. I was on SSI because I COULDN'T work, not because I was lazy, but because I was on dialysis 3 days a week for 4 hours each time and I whittled away to nothing because it is such a devistating process! I have to say I'm insulted to think that one would assume someone else to be "lazy" because another person needed financial help due to being laid off.
I take care of my finances, but I'll tell you what - start your life off at the age of 10 and your family looses a business, mother becomes ill, father has to take out second mortgage on the house, looses vacation property on the coast of Maine, looses boat, "summer car", vacation home, 2 snowmobiles and all of your savings because the insurance you've paid into all of these years will not pay for your baby daughters medical care! That is how my life started at 10 years of age. No college piggy bank, no "nest egg" Even my paternal grandparents lost land, vacation home and had to take out another mortgage because they wanted to help.
Take the next step - Excel in High School and do extremely well on your SAT's and then get ill again when you're trying to go to college to get a better job and create a career...
Be let go because your illness has caused you to miss work excessively....mind you, I have one hell of a work ethic and I even work when I shouldn't because I'm so sick. I've held down as many as 3 jobs at one time, but that's one of the reasons I ended up BACK on dialysis - I was proving that I wasn't LAZY.
Next, get a second transplant - try to explain why you've been out of the workforce for 3 years! Potential employers love that one! While I was suffering through ESRD I was actually denied a promotion - The manager of the store said "I can't count on you to be here if you're going to end up on dialysis." Basically saying that due to my disability, I don't have a right to excel in the workforce and improve my life to create that "nest egg" and take care of my own finances. I could have sued that company and won a lot of money, but guess what? I can't stand the Bull Shit law suits out there costing us money because someone felt they were wronged by the system. I know I was and that very day I told my supervisor that I would be leaving. They all knew that it was discrimination. So, during ESRD (End Stage Renal Disease) and dialysis, I couldn't work.
Get a job, doing well, get married to someone you thought was a totally different person. That little nest egg I had built was STOLEN from me during my divorce. I've been cast out back into debt. Had to move away because I'd had bruises left on my body and more threats of destroying my vehicle etc. I had to leave. Moved to a safe place and got a job...only thing avail. with my background was a temp job and then there were layoffs - what do I do? nothing is avail. to me at the agency, so I go on the hunt. I sent of enough resumes to build a small house with the amount of paper I used sending them. Interview after interview "why is there a gap in your employment here?" Due to illness "Oh". Imagine my surprise when I don't get a call back or when I call back I'm told they have found someone else! So, I had to pay the bills that my ex-husband has now made for me and seeing as he has taken the thousands of dollars that I had saved, I have to go get unemployment.
I'm sorry for exploding like I just did, but there is just sooo much more behind my life and I don't feel the need to justify the help that I needed at the times I needed it.
As for judging ANYONE based on their use of public assistance...you'd better be careful what you say...you may just be that someone someday. My family was - My father had a fabulous business and it was doing VERY well, but a catestrophic illness back in the 80's (prior to HMO's and all this other crap) destroyed us. but, my father and mother are still married and they still have that house! My father will never be able to retire though - due to this lovely economic situation we have here. He also has a batchelors in business, he is ASE certified and he has his Networking, A+ and other computer degrees. How many places to you know in the tech sector that will hire a nearly 60 year old man????
Needless to say I'm not happy right now and I'm done in this thread...it's really gone too far and the fact that there are people out there that have the nerve to be this judgemental makes me ill.
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Posted: Fri Nov 5th, 2004 04:45 pm |
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I voted for Bush cause i didnt wanna vote for Kerry, i Wish there was a 3rd candidate(nader wasnt even on my ballot), as far as Iraq...Nuke their Ass and Take their Gas...i hate paying 2.30 a gallon for 87...As Teddy would say "Carry a BIG stick"  ....Healthcare sucks ! Half the doctors dont know what they are doing, Canada is nice for having universal free healthcare but i dont wanna pay like a 30% sales tax....Too many dang people here in cali, probably gonna move to Idaho in the next few years(yay then i can use 0w30)
P.S. ARNIE PLEASE TAKE AWAY THE STUPID TINT AND LIGHTING LAWS  hehe
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Posted: Fri Nov 5th, 2004 11:07 pm |
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| I thought i might catch hell from Chelly for that, and this, but in all reality why should anyones health be paid for by me? Why? I owe them what? I owe anyone, why? Who ever did a damn thing for me? Ah, my parents, yeah, they brought me into the world. Whooped di do. Good for them. Sorry you were sick Chelly. I don't want you ever to have been sick. That sucks. And I don't see how i could appear ignorant, or judgemental unless the person reading is just a little too emotional about the whole thing. Ignorant cause why? What is it i'm not seeing? Calling names is overemotional and does nothing but cause emotional reactions in others. Egocentric? Hmmm. Since that has the same definition as selfish, then probably. I am concerned with myself first. So what? Somebody has to. You won't. Liberals would make my interests the same as the majority. I'd watch football, get married and have kids and then get divorced, work to have a house around other nice citizens and support the general society. If i do have a difference of opinion than a lot of you then there has to be a reason. We all have experience different things that made our personalities develope the way they did. I was never given anything. My parents kept me fed and i had shelter but the only clothes after age 10 till i got a job, i had to buy with my birthday money which was usually around $100 total. Sure thats more than a kid in Somalia but watch a kid nowadays try to live off $100 a year. Buying toys and clothes and bikes or whatever. I had to work for everything i have. And I had to prove myself to get the jobs i had. Why would i want to give up any of it to support someone else? That's just dumb. Dumb! I give to my church and they give to poor folks and needy people. Thats my charity. And i probably gave a lot more voluntarily than any of you people. Whatever. So... other than the war, what did Bush do that was so offensive?Hmm? Oh, he's against state supported abortion? Yeah, well i say let all the little sluts out there get knocked up and we'll pay to kill the kid. Oh, its not a kid till it comes out? I see. Its part of a womans body. Hmmm. That makes sense. Well not to me but i'm not always right. I just understand nuts and bolts and making things and one plus one and stuff. Not stuff like how two life forms are really only one. Well i guess when we die then the bacteria in our bodies die too so now i can understand the abortion thing. OH!!!!!!!! I'm being IGNORANT again. Too right!! I'm a dummy!! Lets see... What else did he do wrong? I don't know... Ah, that war. That warmongering bastard. Why didn't he leave poor Saddam alone. His state funding of Palestinian suicide bombers was no big deal to us americans. They only killed a couple of americans and that was by accident. We shoulda ignored his invasion of Kuwait. And we shoulda stayed out of Afghanistan too. We coulda spent the hundreds of billions on guarding our borders instead of controlling the world. Who needs to control the world? That'll just make it safer later but it'll upset alot of people in the meantime. I say just give me my money. I promise I won't ask you for anything when I get old or sick or needy. And everyone can have whatever else they want. Gay marriage, abortion, no war, whatever. I don't care. The world will change to things that I personally don't agree with but I will not fight a losing battle. I don't care enough of all that other crap. Just what's mine. You all can share this world. There isn't anything worth fighting for, except for my freedom. I wouldn't make a good socialist. I'm not that social. I don't even like someone else cutting my hair. I do it myself. So i think Bush'll want less of my money. That's why i voted for him.
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Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2004 03:01 pm |
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I'll say it one more time...you'd better hope like hell you NEVER need help due to illness. Yes, you're going to catch hell fromme on this because this is one hell of a sore spot in my life. Emotional..what the hell does anyone expect when I was nearly dead, homeless and no one gave a damn? I care, sorry you don't. I care about a lot of people here and out in the world that I don't even know...Why? because there is too much selfishness...too much "me first and fuck the rest". That is why the world is the way it is. No I'm not some bleeding heart liberal that hugs trees and stands in front of places that build weapons and says stop now! I believe there needs to be police and patrolling. I'm not ignorant to that fact. I never said we didn't need to get rid of saddam that sonofabitch deserves to die. I don't agree with our government's policies over in the middle east or in a lot of countries.
As for having to buy things...well, welcome to the reality of it. My parents could NEVER afford to buy me anything after I became ill. I bought my own first 10 speed bicycle with my first job (9 years old running a paper route). I had to buy my own clothes all the way through HS and onward. The only thing my parents would ever really buy for us 3 kids would be one pair of shoes a year. Christmas...HA! Didn't really ever get a whole lot for christmas. Not from my direct family anyway.
Why should you have to pay for other people's healthcare? Because someday it will be you receiving help. You may say no, that will never happen to me, I've got it all set in my head how my life will be in this world. Watch out for that wrench buddy...You never know where it will come from or when.
As for calling women who need abortions (mind you I said NEED) sluts, that is ignorant J. I'm sorry, but do you realize how many unwanted pregnancies are from RAPE!? You want some bastard child to come into this world and learn that the only reason why he/she is here is do to an act of VIOLENCE against his/her mother??? I don't think so! Next you'll probably tell me that the women who get raped "deserved it" because of the way they were dressed blah blah blah.
Emotion, yes..I've got plenty of it and I also have reason. I can reason and debate, but obviously not with someone who has it set in their minds that you have to go it completely alone in life and fuck all the rest. Would you leave someone on the side of the road to die if they were hurt in an accident? If not, why would you bother to help them? They didn't do anything to help you?!
This is silly...obviously this whole country is devided in HALF. That's a pretty big problem in my eyes. Can you even imagine how good ol' boy "W" feels to not be supported by half of his "fellow countrymen"? And the titles "America has spoken" Well, we sure as hell have. I'm sick of the BS he feeds everyone and I'm also sick of the media spinning everything out of proportion. I don't believe everything i read or hear because I am an intelligent, cognitive woman who can reason. Your comment about emotion to me is moot. There has to be passion in this world or we all end up slaves to ignorance.
I don't really know why I'm wasting my time on this. You obviously have your mind set and don't really offer any opening to ideas. I can see some of your side, but your comments regarding laziness, sluts etc. prove to me another side of you.
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Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2004 03:37 pm |
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| No system is perfect. I've paid out in taxes in one year here more than I would have paid out in ten years in most U.S. states. Am I happy about that? Not particularly. However, I do like and share the majority of the values that my countrymen share. Sometimes people need a hand and if some of my tax dollars help a family get a leg up so that a child doesn't have to live on a hundred bucks a year then that kid might just turn out to be someone as a neighbour down the line who I'll be proud to know. If some of those dollars help a family with a child that develops a kidney disease then that's ok with me as well. Why? Because they are Canadians, they are my neighbours and they share this country with me. They look out for me and I look out for them. Shit happens. At the end of the day I'd rather have people around me who will live their lives unafraid of financial catastrophe because shit happened that they had no control over. I'm a businessman but that doesn't mean that I don't give a damn about my quality of life. I've lived in "gated" communities in countries |
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