Mr. Versatile wrote: Captain J wrote: Unemployment on a reservation shouldn't be counted for anything. The less they make, the more the government gives them. Its propaganda. There's lots of Indians here in Oklahoma and the ones i work with have told me lots of stuff about their situations that I never knew before.Yep! Them there native Americans sure have it good. I sure wish I could live like them.
if you were a seminole indian here in florida you may think twice about that. here EACH family member gets $35,000/year just for being alive. so a family of four gets $140,000. that's a dividend and they can earn income as they wish besides. so yeah, i may be able to handle living like them .
also the original post talked about lack of coverage on the murders on the reservation. the implication was that maybe "no one cared because the dead weren't white". more like downplaying of any unsavory activity by a non-white person, particularly male. the press is very protective of those considered underpriviliged in their eyes.
EXAMPLE: couple of years ago in florida a 12 yr.old girl was supposedly kidnapped in sarasota. the press played this up like the kidnapping was a random act and everyone was fearful for there daughters safety. the real story was the kidnapper was the mother's drug dealer and knew both the child and mother. the mom owed him a ton of money so he snatched the kid. the press protected the mother by not disclosing that fact that which was widely known in the local press circles. course that doesn't make any of what happened right.
the point is that the coverage did a disservice to the rest of the population that looked upon what happened as a random act when in fact it there was connectivity.
just a symptom of the PC plaguing us these days IMHO.
Last edited on Thu Apr 7th, 2005 02:40 am by FLAZX5
FLAZX5 wrote: Mr. Versatile wrote: Captain J wrote: Unemployment on a reservation shouldn't be counted for anything. The less they make, the more the government gives them. Its propaganda. There's lots of Indians here in Oklahoma and the ones i work with have told me lots of stuff about their situations that I never knew before.Yep! Them there native Americans sure have it good. I sure wish I could live like them.
if you were a seminole indian here in florida you may think twice about that. here EACH family member gets $35,000/year just for being alive. so a family of four gets $140,000. that's a dividend and they can earn income as they wish besides. so yeah, i may be able to handle living like them .
also the original post talked about lack of coverage on the murders on the reservation. the implication was that maybe "no one cared because the dead weren't white". more like downplaying of any unsavory activity by a non-white person, particularly male. the press is very protective of those considered underpriviliged in their eyes.
EXAMPLE: couple of years ago in florida a 12 yr.old girl was supposedly kidnapped in sarasota. the press played this up like the kidnapping was a random act and everyone was fearful for there daughters safety. the real story was the kidnapper was the mother's drug dealer and knew both the child and mother. the mom owed him a ton of money so he snatched the kid. the press protected the mother by not disclosing that fact that which was widely known in the local press circles. course that doesn't make any of what happened right.
the point is that the coverage did a disservice to the rest of the population that looked upon what happened as a random act when in fact it there was connectivity.
just a symptom of the PC plaguing us these days IMHO.
Maybe YOU should consider that not every reservation pays out that much to it's members. My husband is almost full blooded Native American and receives a "per capita" check 4 times a year. A total of 2000 a year.
wow, I'd like to see *anybody live on that.
And dont say they can use their kids, because that goes into an account for them until they are 18.
Don't be so ignorant on how reservation life truly is. You can't judge them all by seeing one.
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03 white zx3 wrote: FLAZX5 wrote: Mr. Versatile wrote: Captain J wrote: Unemployment on a reservation shouldn't be counted for anything. The less they make, the more the government gives them. Its propaganda. There's lots of Indians here in Oklahoma and the ones i work with have told me lots of stuff about their situations that I never knew before.Yep! Them there native Americans sure have it good. I sure wish I could live like them.
if you were a seminole indian here in florida you may think twice about that. here EACH family member gets $35,000/year just for being alive. so a family of four gets $140,000. that's a dividend and they can earn income as they wish besides. so yeah, i may be able to handle living like them .
also the original post talked about lack of coverage on the murders on the reservation. the implication was that maybe "no one cared because the dead weren't white". more like downplaying of any unsavory activity by a non-white person, particularly male. the press is very protective of those considered underpriviliged in their eyes.
EXAMPLE: couple of years ago in florida a 12 yr.old girl was supposedly kidnapped in sarasota. the press played this up like the kidnapping was a random act and everyone was fearful for there daughters safety. the real story was the kidnapper was the mother's drug dealer and knew both the child and mother. the mom owed him a ton of money so he snatched the kid. the press protected the mother by not disclosing that fact that which was widely known in the local press circles. course that doesn't make any of what happened right.
the point is that the coverage did a disservice to the rest of the population that looked upon what happened as a random act when in fact it there was connectivity.
just a symptom of the PC plaguing us these days IMHO.
Maybe YOU should consider that not every reservation pays out that much to it's members. My husband is almost full blooded Native American and receives a "per capita" check 4 times a year. A total of 2000 a year.
wow, I'd like to see *anybody live on that.
And dont say they can use their kids, because that goes into an account for them until they are 18.
Don't be so ignorant on how reservation life truly is. You can't judge them all by seeing one.
sounds a little testy there. my comments were regarding the seminole tribe of florida and i stand by them. in fact with the two new casinos they built i wouldn't be surprised to see that number hit $50K per person this year. it's unfortunate that your husband's tribe is not as wealthy as the seminoles but that's no different than any other ethnic group (pick any one: jewish, asian, italian, etc) where you can find both the filthiest of poor and filthiest of rich.
that having been said, IMHO, in modern times, the atrocities and inhumane treatment of the american indian has only been surpassed by the extermination of the jews during WWII and the only reason that i place them in that order is that mankind was supposedly "more civilized" by WWII. i am quite aware of the problems facing american indians still, particularly young males. but we all have our problems of one kind or other. call me dumb, unrealistic, callous, whatever, but i am a firm believer that most of us have the ability to mold our personal situation to our liking if we want it badly enough and direct our energy in a positive rather than negative direction.
before, you jump on me i said "most" have the ability. i realize that some need a safety net and more help from the rest of us. think i'm beginning to ramble....out...
sounds a little testy there. my comments were regarding the seminole tribe of florida and i stand by them. in fact with the two new casinos they built i wouldn't be surprised to see that number hit $50K per person this year. it's unfortunate that your husband's tribe is not as wealthy as the seminoles but that's no different than any other ethnic group (pick any one: jewish, asian, italian, etc) where you can find both the filthiest of poor and filthiest of rich.
that having been said, IMHO, in modern times, the atrocities and inhumane treatment of the american indian has only been surpassed by the extermination of the jews during WWII and the only reason that i place them in that order is that mankind was supposedly "more civilized" by WWII. i am quite aware of the problems facing american indians still, particularly young males. but we all have our problems of one kind or other. call me dumb, unrealistic, callous, whatever, but i am a firm believer that most of us have the ability to mold our personal situation to our liking if we want it badly enough and direct our energy in a positive rather than negative direction.
before, you jump on me i said "most" have the ability. i realize that some need a safety net and more help from the rest of us. think i'm beginning to ramble....out...
I think a Florida tribe and a Minnesota tribe might be a little different, no? And yes it is very testy. I'm sick of people assuming that we receive so much money from the tribe because he's Native American.
It's NOT that his tribe doesn't have the money (although it is a smaller tribe) it is that they do more for the community with the money than just hand it out. Personaly I'd rather see them receiving better pay when they work for the tribe, better school systems, roads etc. They are by far the "poorest of the poor".
And it is like that within any culture. Most people *should have the ability to make the right choices blah blah blah, but how often do you see that go wrong?
Last edited on Fri Apr 8th, 2005 12:59 pm by 03 white zx3
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Hell, if you recieve a freakin DIME from this pos government for free, its more than i get and more than ANYONE deserves. Noone should get paid for being of a certain heritage. They can get off the freakin reservations anytime they want. Boo hoo if they can't mentally. They get lots o crap for free in Oklahoma, especially if they live within a certain radius of their territories. The reservations make for a pretty low class lifestyle sometimes but that is all it is, a lifestyle. Just like the ghettos or any other place. Freakin tribe crap. CRAP. Like me making some stupid ass claim to some land or monies in Ireland. Or even some land wherever the Blackfoot tribe is located. YEAH! My greatgrandma was Blackfoot! Where's my money? Oh, It's all my fault my grandparents decided not to screw another indian into the family? Bah! Everything someone gets for free is a plus for them. Its a one up on those of us who don't get shite! F all that political correctness. I wish I could blame all my problems and lacks on my parents or where I live or some other kind of person or even depression, but i can't. I was born pretty much white. And male. Therefore, everything I lack is my fault, right?
Captain J wrote: Hell, if you recieve a freakin DIME from this pos government for free, its more than i get and more than ANYONE deserves. Noone should get paid for being of a certain heritage. They can get off the freakin reservations anytime they want. Boo hoo if they can't mentally. They get lots o crap for free in Oklahoma, especially if they live within a certain radius of their territories. The reservations make for a pretty low class lifestyle sometimes but that is all it is, a lifestyle. Just like the ghettos or any other place. Freakin tribe crap. CRAP. Like me making some stupid ass claim to some land or monies in Ireland. Or even some land wherever the Blackfoot tribe is located. YEAH! My greatgrandma was Blackfoot! Where's my money? Oh, It's all my fault my grandparents decided not to screw another indian into the family? Bah! Everything someone gets for free is a plus for them. Its a one up on those of us who don't get shite! F all that political correctness. I wish I could blame all my problems and lacks on my parents or where I live or some other kind of person or even depression, but i can't. I was born pretty much white. And male. Therefore, everything I lack is my fault, right?
No offense, but are you stupid?
No one receives money from the government. The tribe sends out basicaly "profit sharing" checks to it's enrolled members. AND this money is taxable.
Good God ignorant people piss me off!
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Good God! Are YOU freakin stupid?! Like stupidity has ANYTHING to do with lack of knowledge, which is termed as IGNORANCE. Two COMPLETELY different terms. So since we're on the PERSONAL level now... They don't get anything from the government? Nothing? The free medical care? The discounted housing costs? The land? That don't count? Bah! Whatever. Whiner. You just want something to whine about. Does it make you feel better? I hope so. So if I say you're right you'll shutup and stop whining? Boo hoo. Go get mad. Go ahead. Whine some more. And this time make a freakin point. As if I not knowing where the free money came from would be THAT big of a deal in this conversation anyway. Its free. For nothing. "Ooohh, ignorant people piss me off". Like you know f-ing anything. Female. Overemotional, irrational females and the males that tend to act like them, piss me off. So piss off. Pisser. Go whine and piss and piss and whine. I'm sure your husband found that an attractive trait when he married you. Pissing and whining all the time. I don't see how you f-ing whiners actually live day to day. I bet that murdering kid in Minnesota was a pisser and a whiner. As if he had any right to affect someone elses life. Like you have any right to have an opinion on Native Americans because you married one. Bleh. Puke on you. Whinerette.
Captain J wrote: Good God! Are YOU freakin stupid?! Like stupidity has ANYTHING to do with lack of knowledge, which is termed as IGNORANCE. Two COMPLETELY different terms. So since we're on the PERSONAL level now... They don't get anything from the government? Nothing? The free medical care? The discounted housing costs? The land? That don't count? Bah! Whatever. Whiner. You just want something to whine about. Does it make you feel better? I hope so. So if I say you're right you'll shutup and stop whining? Boo hoo. Go get mad. Go ahead. Whine some more. And this time make a freakin point. As if I not knowing where the free money came from would be THAT big of a deal in this conversation anyway. Its free. For nothing. "Ooohh, ignorant people piss me off". Like you know f-ing anything. Female. Overemotional, irrational females and the males that tend to act like them, piss me off. So piss off. Pisser. Go whine and piss and piss and whine. I'm sure your husband found that an attractive trait when he married you. Pissing and whining all the time. I don't see how you f-ing whiners actually live day to day. I bet that murdering kid in Minnesota was a pisser and a whiner. As if he had any right to affect someone elses life. Like you have any right to have an opinion on Native Americans because you married one. Bleh. Puke on you. Whinerette.
Oh dear. Thank you for giving me such a good laugh thismorning.
I don't particularly give a damned what you think of me. My husband loves me for who I am and that's really none of your business.
The health care is provided by the tribe. School, police, housing, road work, everything on that reservation is provided for by the tribe. Not the government. All of the tribe's money is taxable by the government also.
And quite honestly that little piece of land they received when all of the rest of our ancestors came over and took their land isn't shit. They receive the same amount of government grants as any other social organization out there no mater what the race.
And I didn't just marry one, I AM one. I think that gives me more than enough right to have an opinion on something I am apart of? Who the hell says I need your permission to have an opinion anyways?
Do you know *anyone who lives on a reservation? I have inlaws that live on the Potawatomi Reservation in Northern Michigan and relatives that live on the Stockbridge Munsee Mohican reservation in Wisconsin. What kind of experience do you have that you claim to know so much about what goes on and the benefit some receive for being Native American?
If you don't want to "support" anything that happens on the reservation or the benefits given from the tribe to their people, don't go to their casinos
And no, I never shut up. so
BTW- do you get so mad about reperations too? African people receiving settlements for their ancestors being slaves? Now THAT is true government money simply because of the race.
Last edited on Sun Apr 10th, 2005 05:17 pm by 03 white zx3
____________________ "Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me either, just fuck off and leave me alone. "
BTW-Captain J wrote:
Good God! Are YOU freakin stupid?! Like stupidity has ANYTHING to do with lack of knowledge, which is termed as IGNORANCE. Two COMPLETELY different terms.
3 entries found for stupid.
stu·pid Audio pronunciation of "stupid" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stpd, sty-)
adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est
1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
5. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.
n.
A stupid or foolish person.
3 entries found for ignorance.
ig·no·rance Audio pronunciation of "ignorance" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gnr-ns)
n.
The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.
lack of inteligence, lack of knowledge? Pretty close to me.
____________________ "Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me either, just fuck off and leave me alone. "
This one lists all of the grants to the department of health and human services. If you'd like, I could dig up the State's requests too and bet it'd be a hell of a lot longer than that one.
So the point is, they receive the same grants as any other taxpayer's county should/would. And remember, (at least the tribes that I am personaly familiar with) do their own road work, schooling police, hospital etc which are things you would normaly receive from paying taxes.
Last edited on Sun Apr 10th, 2005 05:20 pm by 03 white zx3
____________________ "Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me either, just fuck off and leave me alone. "
MrV
From my side of the border it just may be that we're not surprised by shootings in schools south of the border anymore. Don't think that because this one happened on a reservation made it any more or less noticed.
Like kidnappings in Mexico, the first couple were noticed, then it just became background noise.
Pretty sad but since the whole Bush/Iraq deal started, many Canadians no longer feel that closeness to the US that we had as far back as I can remember.
Aboriginals in Canada sure have many of the same issues to face as they do south of the border. Fortunately they have had a few national figures that have not only made changes in their situation but have also positively changed Canada as a whole over the past few years. There is a photo of Elijah Harper on the wall in my living room. He was a native member of parliament who had the courage to stand and veto one of the worst pieces of legislation ever to come up in our Parliament.
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A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams...John Barrymore
03 white zx3 wrote: lack of inteligence, lack of knowledge? Pretty close to me
You can teach a monkey sign language. Most people don't know sign language. Does that mean the monkey's more intelligent than most people? Like folks who "accidentally" miss an L in intelligence? So back atcha.
Wow. Just for being injun these folks get lots of stuff. And theres lots of stuff on other sites about how much those casinos pay in taxes. I really don't think they should have to pay anything, but shouldn't recieve anything either. If they wanna be separate, then let em be separate. And as for reparations to anybody for what happened to their ancestors, well... thats a crock of shite. Poop. And lots of it. And any office holder who wants to take tax dollars and give hand em out should be ejected from office. Maybe thats just the mutt in me coming out and being angry that I can't get free stuff cause I'm not a pure breed.
This threads off topic enough so I'm done before I piss Rokstar off anymore.
And here I thought I was being Civil.
That's fine. I'm done with this thread and certain people in this thread.
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