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 Posted: Thu May 10th, 2007 05:06 pm
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getting a dtc 9359 B1359 Ignition Run/ACC circuit -- had to pull through the dash as the reader wasn't pulling any codes from the port.

Car will attempt to start after 15 revs, sputter and then die.

replaced (due to codes pulled)
fuel filter
cam position sensor
COP #1 cylinder

symptoms:

Good spark
plugs very wet


HELP!!!!

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 Posted: Thu May 10th, 2007 08:35 pm
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so you have spark, did you check fuel pressure?

If you've got both of those all that is left is compression, and that problem is nobody's friend.



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 Posted: Thu May 10th, 2007 08:37 pm
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Won't turn over, won't click, won't anything:

Is there power to the accessories?
NO - power distribution problem. Verify battery is good and power is making it to the central junction box and fuse box.
YES – continue

Is the PATS light flashing rapidly?
NO – continue
YES – PATS problem. Key is corrupt or not programmed, reciever is damaged or disconnected. ECU is damaged.

Is the Clutch in? (if equipped)
NO – depress clutch pedal all the way
YES – verify that the clutch switch is working properly by measuring resistance across the 2 wires when the clutch is depressed, should be 0 ohms, then continue.

Is the transmission in Park or Neutral? (if equipped)
NO – Move selector switch to Park or neutral.
YES – verify that the lever is actually moving the selector switch on the transmission to park or neutral, measure the resistance of the safety switch when in park or neutral, should be 0 ohms. then continue.

Do you have an alarm or lockout?
NO - continue
YES – verify that the alarm is disabled and the lockout is working properly.

Is the grey wire near the coil pack connected?
NO - connect
YES – continue

Is your engine ground less than 100 ohms?
NO – add a ground wire from a lift point to the chasis or batt-.
YES – continue

Is there power to the starter?
NO – repair broken wire or terminal.
YES – continue.

Is the starter grounded?
NO - repair engine to chasis ground wire.
YES - continue.

Is there 12v on the key terminal when the key is in the "start" position?
NO - check operation of the ignition switch, ignition relay, and fuse.
YES - bad starter.


Clicks, won't turn over or start:

Are the battery terminals connected securely and corrosion free?
NO – clean and secure the terminals
YES – continue

Will the car jump start?
NO - continue
YES – bad battery or charging circuit.

Is your engine ground less than 100 ohms?
NO – add a ground wire from a lift point to the chasis or batt-.
YES – continue

Will the rotating assembly turn freely?
NO – engine is jammed or seized
YES – continue

Is the starter seated correctly?
NO – seat properly and tighten bolts.
YES – continue

Does the starter motor turn when power is applied and load removed?
NO – bad starter
YES – have starter bench tested.


Cranks, turns over, but won't start or run:

Is there gas in the car?
NO – buy gas
YES – continue

Are the spark plugs firing?
NO – no signal from crank angle sensor or faulty coil pack/coil harness.
YES – continue

Can you hear the fuel pump whir for 2 seconds when the key is set to “on”?
NO – look under the passenger side kick panel and verify that inertia switch is not tripped and is working correctly. Fuel pump problem if switch is ok.
YES – use a fuel pressure gauge to verify that you are receiving adequate fuel pressure during cranking. Continue if ok

With the oil cap off and a friend trying to start the car, can you see the cams spinning while the engine cranks?
NO - Possibly a bad timing belt. Pull the timing gear cover off to check the belt and watch the cam gears. Replace belt if bad.
YES - continue

Are the injectors firing?
NO – damaged ECU or no signal from camshaft position sensor. (could be a broken timing belt)
YES – continue

Is there adequate compression in all cylinders?
NO – broken timing belt, head gasket leak, or damaged valvetrain componant.
YES – continue

Is there a blockage in the air intake?
NO – verify engine timing, have ECU tested.
YES – remove blockage

taken from a TXFO post on FJ.



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 Posted: Mon May 14th, 2007 12:33 pm
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Ok.....went through and cleared all codes on the system (had to go and get a CAN reader.)

Trying to start her up now, spark is good

acts like it is flooded, holding the gas pedal to the floor will try and start but once it fires and you touch the throttle code p1233 comes up.

 

How hard is it to change or bypass the fuel shutoff button in the passengers footwell?

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 Posted: Thu May 17th, 2007 06:17 am
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do yourself a favor. grab a friend to do this.
on the end of the fuel rail for the injectors theres a fuel pressure sensor, should have a wiring plug and a vacuum hose on it. pull the vacuum hose loose and have the friend turn the ignition on (just turn on power, dont crank yet) leave it on for up to 5 sec (fuel sysem should build pressure). any fuel coming out of the vacuum fitting on the sensor(if so its shot, if not continue)? now crank it and attempt to start, any fuel now?
if you get any fuel doing either of these its toast. what happens is the diaphram goes bad and basically dumps fuel through the vacuum hose into the manifold.
my svt did this and acted the same. plugs were wet and could smell the fuel when i tried to crank it. replaced it and no problems;)

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 Posted: Thu May 17th, 2007 12:12 pm
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Cool, I will give it a shot this evening....any idea if it has a special name or if it's just a fuel pressure sensor?

If that's not the case, I do have a fuel pump on it's way.

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Mana: 
 Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 02:30 am
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Unless the duratec is differant the Zetec it dosen't have a pressure regulator. Its a returnless system and the fuel pump regulated the pressure..

I believe..??...



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 Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 01:05 pm
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correct, returnless, one of the reasons that makes it more difficult to tune and make more power.



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 Posted: Sun May 20th, 2007 08:33 am
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its not a regulator, its a sensor which sends a fuel pressure reading to the ecu which uses it to control the pump.

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