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 Posted: Sat Nov 13th, 2004 06:53 pm
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Since I am still new at learning about Amsoil products. How is the 5w20 XL 7500, I think it is called. I see this poster all the time when I get my car worked on.



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 Posted: Sat Nov 13th, 2004 07:06 pm
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AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil is specially formulated to provide outstanding wear protection, power, fuel economy and performance for 7,500 miles or six months of service. With AMSOIL XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil, motorists driving 15,000 miles a year need only change their oil twice annually. AMSOIL XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil offers a high degree of convenience and savings through its ability to perform and protect engines for extended periods.
Thermal and Oxidative Stability
AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil eliminates the need for frequent oil changes. Outstanding thermal and oxidative stability ensures long-term physical and chemical integrity of the oil after exposure to engine operating temperatures.


Low Volatility
Low volatility makes AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil highly resistant to oil consumption. The oil continues to lubricate, maintain fuel economy, and reduces exhaust emissions for an extended drain interval.


Shear Stability
Superior shear stability ensures AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil maintains protective viscosity throughout extended service life. The oil continues to protect engine components from metal-to-metal contact and wear, especially in high temperatures.


High Temperature Performance
AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil offers outstanding high-temperature engine protection and performance. Engines operate in optimal temperature range in high-stress conditions. In high-temperature operations, AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil provides clean, dependable lubrication and protection.


Low Temperature Performance
Wax-free synthetic stocks ensure the rapid flow of motor oil throughout the engine after startup, protecting engines from wear. AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil's low temperature fluidity also helps engines start dependably year-round and significantly improves cold temperature fuel economy.


Fuel Economy and Power
AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil enhances fuel economy and powerful performance. A low coefficient of friction ensures the maximum delivery of engine power with minimal frictional losses.


Corrosion, Rust and Foam Control
AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil seals out rust, neutralizes acids and resists foaming. Rust inhibition is an especially important feature for engines subject to frequent short-trip operations or for stored engines. Acid neutralization protects engines from damage caused by corrosive by-products of combustion. Foam resistance ensures protection against metal-to-metal contact and wear.


Additive Durability
AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil contains top-quality additives designed for long-term performance. AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil protects engines from wear, corrosion, deposit accumulation and sludge buildup. The long-life additives in AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil are designed to keep engines clean and protected for 7,500 miles or six months, whichever comes first.


Meets or exceeds the following specifications for domestic and foreign gasoline engines:
  • API SL, SJ
  • ILSAC GF-3, GF-2
  • Ford WSS-M2C153H
  • ACEA A1, B1
  • JASO VTW
MIXING AMSOIL
AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil is compatible with conventional petroleum oils. However, AMSOIL does not recommend using a mixture of XL-7500 oil and conventional oils for 7,500-mile or six-month drain intervals. Engine oil additives are not recommended for use with AMSOIL XL-7500 oil.

SERVICE LIFE
In gasoline-fueled passenger vehicles in normal or severe service, change AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil at 7,500-mile or six-month intervals, whichever comes first.

Change aftermarket or OEM full flow oil filters with every oil change.

Premium quality AMSOIL Full-Flow Oil Filters are recommended for use with AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil, and may be used for 7,500 miles or six months, whichever comes first.









TYPICAL TECHNICAL PROPERTIES (Revised 4/03)
AMSOIL SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 SYNTHETIC MOTOR OIL



5W-20
(XLM)





Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt (ASTM D-445)



8.9





Kinematic Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt (ASTM D-445)


45.0


Viscosity Index (ASTM D-2270)


183


CCS Viscosity, cP @ (°C) (ASTM D2602)


3670 (-30)


Flash Point °C (°F) (ASTM D 92)


229 (444)


Fire Point °C (°F) (ASTM D 92)


242 (468)

Pour Point °C (°F) (ASTM D 97)
-46 (-51)


Noack Volatility, % weight loss (g/100g) (DIN 51581)


8.2



High Temperature/High Shear Viscosity @ 150°C and 1.0 X 106 s-1, cP (ASTM D4683)


2.9



Four Ball Wear Test (ASTM D 4172 @ 40 kgf, 150°C, 1800 rpm, 1 hour, Scar in mm)


0.38

Total Base Number (ASTM D2896)
10.2

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 Posted: Sun Nov 14th, 2004 01:49 am
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Thanks rick.



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 Posted: Tue Feb 22nd, 2005 04:16 am
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i have an 01 ZTS sedan , 38,800 mi. on it the questions i have for you are about the price , where to buy , is it better than mobil 1 , oil filter purchase , is it greased lightnin( oil additive) safe ? your knowledgeable answer would be greatly appreciated. (if its better than mobil 1 full syn.) then you've sold me on it .what sae is recommened for my car? thanks rick (rokie).:driv

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 Posted: Tue Feb 22nd, 2005 05:09 am
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n2focus wrote: i have an 01 ZTS sedan , 38,800 mi. on it the questions i have for you are about the price , where to buy , is it better than mobil 1 , oil filter purchase , is it greased lightnin( oil additive) safe ? your knowledgeable answer would be greatly appreciated. (if its better than mobil 1 full syn.) then you've sold me on it .what sae is recommened for my car? thanks rick (rokie).:driv
Well, I may be considered bias 'cause I sell the stuff, but I whole heartedly believe Amsoil is better than any oil out there.  Ive personally used it since the early 90's and have never thought twice about using anything else.

On the XL-7500 products, they are a wonderful product dont get me wrong.  However, if you have no problem with extended drain intervals, i.e. 25,000 miles or one year on the same oil, then get the 5W30 (ASL) oil.  If you have the Zetec motor you can use the SDF34 oil filter and all you will have to do is change that at six months or 12,500 miles.  So for one year you'll be under your car once for fluid maintenance.

If you want specific test results comparing Amsoil to Mobil 1, let me know.  The tests are industry standard and recognized tests (every oil maker uses these tests) and Amsoil comes out on top hands down.  You save money on less frequent oil changes, better fuel economy and much less wear on the motor.  In addition, Amsoil is made in the good ole U.S.A.  Its environmentally friendly because with just one oil change in a year you are greatly reducing used oil and used oil filters.

Now, let me get on my soap box.  Umm Ahem. If you are using additives in your oil, you're using the wrong oil.  My personal philosophy is that if you have to 'add' something to your oil to get it to do what its supposed to in the first place, its time to find another oil for your car.  In no way should you have to use an additive with Amsoil and in fact it is pretty much discouraged.  One reason for this is additive package compatability.  While an additive like greased lightnin may 'work' with your oil, it is often very hard to know just what it is doing to the additive package already in your oil and oft times its not all that helpful.

Am I totally opposed to using additives?  No.  Do I use them on a whim? No way (not saying you do just to be clear).  I have in fact tested an additive in an effort to find a solution to an oil thickening issue with the Series 2000 oil.  Its a VERY VERY good oil, but it does have a tendency to thicken up a bit and Ive tested a product to see if it would help, which it seems to have done a dang fine job of doing.  However, I did an awful lot of research into what this product was, what it was made of, what others had to say and their experiences were and MOST importantly I looked for used oil analysis reports using this product just to see if it stood up to labratory testing.

Generally speaking though, you wont have to use any additives with Amsoil.  I wouldnt have even considered doing it myself had it not been for the desire to find a solution to the thickening issue with that one particular product.  So save yourself the money and get Amsoil instead of the additives.  Ive seen several used oil analysis on the 5W30 (ASL) product and it doesnt have the tendency to thicken up a bit as the Series 2000 0W30.   Ive also seen people do used oil analysis on the Series 2000 0W30 as well and NOT have an issue with the oil thickening up some.  That kind of issue tends to be more or less car specific.  Some will exhibit it and some will not.

Okay, let me get off the soap box now, I'll answer specific questions if you would like to know more as best I can.

As for the viscosity recommendation for your car, Im willing to bet that 5W20 is recommended, but I would double check for that.  I thought it was recommended for mine too and yet clearly on the under side of the hood it states to use 5W30.  Even if 5W20 is recommended for your vehcile you can easily and very safely use the 5W30 with no trouble.  The 5W20 spec. was just an attempt by Ford to meet some governmental regulations.

Anyway, if you want to know anything further, myself, Rick and Chelly are all Amsoil dealers and would be more then willing to answer to the best of our ability any questions you may have.



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 Posted: Tue Feb 22nd, 2005 06:11 am
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thanks again for the knowledge , it will help me greatlty.:driv

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 Posted: Tue Feb 22nd, 2005 01:26 pm
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Not to be a stinker (I use Amsoil and love it), but did anyone else see the recent advertising for Mobil 1's extended drain oils, 5K, 7.5K and 15K guaranteed, seems to me Mobil is getting a bit concerned with the competition :)



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 Posted: Tue Feb 22nd, 2005 01:58 pm
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If you read their literature you will see that they say 'no special filters required' which is clearly a shot across the bow to Amsoil and their recommendation that you use their filters for the extended drain and that you change it at 6mos/12,500 miles.  Also the Mobil 1 EP also will tell you on the bottle that no filter change is necessary.  Now I dont know about you, but there aint no way in hades I would go that long on an off the shelf filter, especially with the likes of Fram and others that are similar.  It also seems strange to me that Mobil would singe out 'no special filters needed' since they make their own high efficiency filters that are along the lines of Amsoils filters.  In fact they are the only filters that come close to the capability of Amsoils oil fitlers.

Now, dont get me wrong, Mobil 1 is a good product.  I have said many times (though probably not on here) that any synthetic is better than petroleum and in most cases that is true.  However, I have my concerns about their new line of oils.  Their 5000 and 7500 mile oils as I understand it thus far are not true synthetics but rather a petroleum or Group III basestock.  The Mobil 1 EP is a PAO basestock synthetic, but I have as of yet to see a VOA (Virgin Oil Analysis) on that product to see what the additive package looks like.  I have a concern the oil will go the distance with no filter changes.  An oil filter can only hold so much, even if the oil can keep it in suspension the oil filter cant remove it after a certain point of capacity.

So we'll have to see but for now Im kinda reserved about how the product will perform.  I am very happy they came out with the product though cause it truly validates what Amsoil has been saying for the last 32 years.  Its about time they follow the example that has been set and proven.  As well, you watch, the other oil producers will have to follow suit so Pennzoil, Quaker State, Vavoline, etc. will soon be out with their own version.  But watch out, cause they are going to be rush jobs to market in order to stay caught up with Mobil.  Mobil had this product so burried in secrecy that according to the reports only a small handfull of people really knew about it.  If that is indeed true, then any products the others come out with are just going to be repackaged stuff and I would be a little concerned about using them.



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Another thought on the Oil Additives (like snake oil and duralube). I was talking to this guy that worked in a garage(yes he was a redneck, but anyway) and his philosophy was that if you need to  add stuff to your oil there's something wrong with the motor. It kinda goes along the lines of what StormStrikes said but coming at it from the other way.

Just a few ;2cents for your thoughts.

Amsoil says there product is fully compatible with regular oils but will lessen its protection if mixed with it. The same would be true with additives. The additive will change the way amsoil works, good or bad both being unknown.



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 Posted: Tue Feb 22nd, 2005 06:35 pm
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Very good point FX3.  If you 'feel' the need to use an additive then please, PLEASE do some research on it.  Not just what others are saying either like "oh yeah, that stuff is great, I'll buy it again", or "That stuff is the bomb, I stuck their sticker on my window and gained 25hp".  Seriously though, check out what it is made of, whether or not it is compatible with the additive package of the oil you are using.

There are some out there that use some very quenstionable stuff in their additives, but there are some that are really good.  But again, if you are using a quality product like Amsoil then you shouldnt have need of them at all.

Consider this.  Most oils out there on the market are formulated with a price in mind.  They are public company and have to make money for the shareholders.  So when they formulate a product they arent necessarily thinking of how well it will protect a motor, but how much money is it going to make and thus how much the shareholders will make.   So they formulate a product to maximize profit and not necessarily maximize protection.  Amsoil is not publically owned, so they dont answer to shareholders and have the huge advantage of being able to formulate and produce a product consistent with the best available protection in mind, not the bottom line.  Are they in the business of making money?  You bet, who would ever start a business not wanting to do so.  However, Amsoil has proven for 32 years that you CAN make an oil that offers the finest in protection and STILL make money.

Furthermore, think about this.  Did you know that Mobil 1 in 1974 actually marketed a 25,000 mile oil?  Yep, they did.  It came out right after Amsoil started selling their product.  However, Mobil 1 pulled their product not long after it was introduced.  Wanna take a guess at why?  You dont sell as much oil on longer drain intervals as you do with the 3000 mile intervals.  So Mobil 1 has know for quite some time that the extended drain intervals were not only possible but very realistic or else they would have never marketed a product to compete with Amsoil.

Anyway, I guess Im done, :P

Just thought I would share all that with everyone.  Enjoy.



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