New Oil Filter for the SVTF...not sure if it is for the Zetec also... - AMSOIL Corner - General Information - Team Focus - Come On In And Enjoy The Company!
I know this has been beat to death. I use AMSOIL 0W30 and have used everything from the AMSOIL SDF-34, the FL400S, even the NAPA Gold as well as the FL-2005S. I just got off the phone with Mark at SVT and he says they now recommend a new filter for the SVTF called the FL-2005W ...Anyone use it or heard of it?
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Blurry wrote: I know this has been beat to death. I use AMSOIL 0W30 and have used everything from the AMSOIL SDF-34, the FL400S, even the NAPA Gold as well as the FL-2005S. I just got off the phone with Mark at SVT and he says they now recommend a new filter for the SVTF called the FL-2005W ...Anyone use it or heard of it?
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As far as I know, the SDF34 is still valid for thet SVT. I havent yet taken my courses on oil filtration (just finished oil analysis) yet, but I would say that since they didnt change the the main part designation (FL-2005) that the oil filter is probably identical and just has changes in the ADBV design or the pressure that the by-pass valve kicks in. I can see what I can dig up, but specifics on oil filters are difficult if not impossible to come by. I have long looked for a source of such information so I could compare them to Amsoil specs and cross reference more filters.
If I can find anything I'll report back with what I can dig up.
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Thanks. Any additional info would be greatly appreciated. I know that on AMSOIL's site, if I do a search, they do not recommend the SDF-34 for the SVTF. They recommend the Hastings only.
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Blurry wrote: Thanks. Any additional info would be greatly appreciated. I know that on AMSOIL's site, if I do a search, they do not recommend the SDF-34 for the SVTF. They recommend the Hastings only.
You must be looking at the wrong VIN code. The SVTf was how I knew that the SDF-34 would be okay on the ZX3. Amsoil has the SDF-34 listed for both the SVT and SPI but for some odd reason does not for the regular Zetec.
____________________ My car is a synner! It uses Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants.
2001 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP
It whines a lot, but I like it
An SVT has a VIN code of 3? Well okay then. That shows the Hastings LF483, which is the same filter that is recommended for my ZX3. And I used the SDF34 with no problems up until I installed the bypass system. I have a customer in Tulsa that also has a SVT and he's using the SDF34 with no problems at all.
So unless there is a major design, ADBV or bypass valve design change in the FL2005W from the FL2005S then I doubt there would be any problem in continued use of the SDF34. However, if it makes one uneasy then by all means use the recommeded filter. If your using Amsoil they only thing that will change will be that you have to change out the filter at 3000 - 5000 mile intervals as opposed to the 12,500 miles with the Amsoil filter. It reduces the cost savings of using Amsoil, but I also understand fully the importance of peace of mind with your ride.
Differences in the filter may be a change in the ADBV (Anti-Drain Back Valve) in which it uses different material, or the bypass balve may open at 14psi of pressure as opposed to 15psi. In normal circumstances these are really neglegable (sp?) differences. Think of what an oil filter MUST do;
1. It must not obstruct the flow of oil to the motor. The reason for the bypass valve, if the filter gets clogged for some reason, then the filter is designed to pass the oil unfiltered. Not an ideal situation, but better than the consequences of oil starvation. In fact I would almost guarantee that every cars filter goes into bypass mode at start up just because of the increased viscosity. It may be for only a few seconds, but most do go into bypass mode, this is why so much engine wear occurs at start up. Synthetics are much much better at leaving a coating on the moving parts so you get less start up wear with synthetics than petroleum based oil, but it doesnt reduce it to zero. This is why Amsoil has introduced the Amsoiler pre-lubing device.
2. A filter must of course filter the oil. But it must make a compramise between filtration and oil flow. This is why full flow filters cant remove ALL the impurities in an oil. Its possible to do so, but you would obviously starve the motor for oil.
3. A filter must keep the dirty oil seprate from the oil sump. The oil filter contains the highest concentration of impurities. If not for the ADBV, then this oil would make it back into circulation after you shut the motor off. Then, when you start the motor up, if the filter goes into bypass mode you have that elevated concentration of impurities circulating unchecked until the filter starts filtering again.
So in a nutshell thats what you look for in a filter. As long as it meets the criteria for the bypass valve pressure and ADBV criteria (some designs are better than others) then the filter should be good to go. What makes choosing a filter outside what the OEM recommendations are is the extreme lack of available filter specifications. If consumers had a source for comparing filters on the specs in which they are built I think a lot of people would be choosing and paying for filters other than OEM. You dont want a bypass valve that opens under too little pressure and you dont want one that takes a lot of pressure to open. And each motor line is a little different and with out the specifics on the design specs it can make looking for a good filter outside the OEM recommendations a little tough. Suffice it to say that the OEM filter isnt ment to be or is it the best. The OEM design or call for specifications on a filter that are adequate and that is the operative word. What may be adequate is not necessarily what will provide you the best in protection. Conventional petroleum oil is adequate for lubrication of a motor. It is by no means the best at the job.
Now that I went off on that little stint of a rant, let me say that I have called upon a few people to try and get the differences between the FL2005S and FL2005W filters. If I hear anything back on that I will be certain to post it here.
____________________ My car is a synner! It uses Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants.
2001 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP
It whines a lot, but I like it
Thanks. My understanding is that the FL2005W is a combination of the FL2005S and FL400. The FL2005W has the dual ADBV (Anti-Drain Back Valve) of the FL2005S yet the better material (I forgot what they called it) of the FL400...I used the SDF34 in the past but was told it may damage the car at startup because oil wouldn't reach the top end of the motor fast enough or something? I may go back to the SDF-34.
What is Amsoiler pre-lubing device?
Last edited on Wed Jan 19th, 2005 02:50 pm by Blurry
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Blurry wrote: Thanks. My understanding is that the FL2005W is a combination of the FL2005S and FL400. The FL2005W has the dual ADBV (Anti-Drain Back Valve) of the FL2005S yet the better material (I forgot what they called it) of the FL400...I used the SDF34 in the past but was told it may damage the car at startup because oil wouldn't reach the top end of the motor fast enough or something? I may go back to the SDF-34.
You know what is bugging me - Dan called a few weeks ago and the tech support line mentioned to him that there isn't a large enough niche to warrant development of Focus specific components. I think that's a bunch a' hogwash!
We should make them check these sites out and see the potential in the smaller engine arena.
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