Stole this oil analysis report from Bobistheoilguy to use as my first post.
Looks like Amsoil has been tweaking their Series 2000 chemistry again...but this certainly isn't a GF-4 formulation based upon the Zn and P levels.
2005 Mustang GT
4.6L V8, 3V
6664 miles on the oil, 4 months
12859 total miles
Amsoil SDF11 Oil Filter w/magnet
10 mi daily commute @50MPH, with moderately hard driving
Al 2
Cr 1
Fe 26
Cu 57
Pb 1
Mo 28
Ni 1
Mn 13
B 29
Si 18
Na 4
Mg 707
P 828
Zn 1031
SUS Viscosity @ 210F= 64.8- equivalent to 11.5cst, little change from the 11.2 cst baseline...showing that this report breaks the rule that domestic V8s emit large amounts of contamination, causing excessive thickening...guess this new Ford V8 produces little contamination.
Flashpoint= 380F
Fuel= <0.5
Water, Antifreeze=both negative
Insolubles= 0.1%
TBN= 5.7- excellent by Blackstone's method...note that this is equivalent to a 7.5-8.0 on Oil Analyzer's scale...interesting how OAI's TBN readings always read 2-2.5pts higher than Blackstone's readings even though they're both supposed to be using the same ASTM D-4739 method.
Iron and Copper will drop as wear-in proceeds, the Ni is possibly from an intake leak and the Mn could be fuel additives burning past rings that haven't seated. The high Silicon is from gasket leaching, but possibly from an air filter leak as well. The Iron should eventually drop to 2ppm/1000 miles or so.
I'm interested in seeing how well the ATM 10w-30 would perform here for less $$$, as I personally think that it will deliver the same results while saving $14/oil change. The new ATM is formulated at 10.6cst now meeting the A5/B5 specs, so its HT/HS is only 3.2cp. Note: The Series 2000 0w-30 is also reformulated now in the mid 10cst range, and its HT/HS is now 3.3cp, VI 187, and Volatility 6.7%, thus it is no longer an A3/B3 lube. The Series 2000 used in this report was of the pre-A5/B5 formulation.
This is an excellent forum and I hope to come by the Amsoil section from time to time as I'm especially interested in the Series 2000 0w-30 oil analysis results, even though I'm not an Amsoil dealer and simply an enthusiast.
Last edited on Wed Nov 30th, 2005 06:04 am by AZMike
Hey there AZMike. Welcome to the board and definately thanks for the oil analysis.
Interesting report to say the least. Copper and Iron seem high, but as stated your motor is still breaking in as well and should level out over time. What kind of magnet are you using on the oil filter? It would be interesting to see a report without the magnet to see what kind of effect it is having.
I will give your report this, the Viscosity seems to be more stable than from my experience in the past. Though I still say that despite the Series 2000's billing from Amsoil that thier Series 3000 is a better oil.
On the TBN, I posted an analysis here on a 2001 Mustang GT with mileage very close to your and the TBN was within a few tenths of what yours is. If I remember the guidelines for the margin of error for test results it was on the order of 15%. To clarify that, the margin of errors was from two different labs running the same tests. They also have guidelines for two different people in the same lab running the same test, so there is some allowance there.
There was some news somewhere I read or heard from Amsoil, dont remember which, but they are/were supposed to tweak the Series 2000 a bit because of the thickening issue it had. The Series 3000 is the same cost but has shown to be a much more stable oil.
Thanks for posting the results, hope you come back and visit soon.
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2001 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP
It whines a lot, but I like it
I've chosen to change out from the series 2000 to the series 3000 when due in January. I've not had any problems w/ my car running the series 2000, but then again, I've failed at obtaining oil samples to run the tests I'd like. Dan has been forgetting my kits in the glovebox each time.
Hopefully I'll have good news when I do change over and have this test done on a full year's run on the series 2000. It will be well into the 20,000 mile mark when I finally do.
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SS, thanks for the reply and welcome. No this isn't my car, I wish. I just stole the report from Bobistheoilguy.
I was personally quite surprised as well by the stable viscosity of the Series 2000, I was expecting it to be in the low 12 range by now due to the heavy contamination that is usually generated by V8 engines, either this engine runs very clean (possible) or they've tweaked the Series 2000 formulation. I personally think that this engine burns quite clean, as I've seen this same formula used a 4-cyl Honda with 60K for 13000 miles and the oil became a 15w-40, though wear was almost non-existent.
SS, there is certainly significant variation beyond 15% with TBN values with OAI and Blackstone, despite using the same method...dunno why...perhaps you can do a blind test for us next time and send a sample to each lab???
Series 3000 is too thick for any high-performance app with a HT/HS of 3.6cp, many times the kinetic viscosity of the oil does not necessairly correlate well to actual wear thus the introduction of the HT/HS test, where oil is heated to 150C and sheared many times to reveal the true vis...I'd personally be interested in seeing the ATM 10w-30 in this app or even the ACD 10w-30, as the ACD has no polymer thickeners if you look closely at the VI, Volatility, and HT/HS...so its completely shear stable.
BTW, I added you to my AIM buddy list but I don't see you online.
Mike SyntheticShield wrote: Hey there AZMike. Welcome to the board and definately thanks for the oil analysis.
Interesting report to say the least. Copper and Iron seem high, but as stated your motor is still breaking in as well and should level out over time. What kind of magnet are you using on the oil filter? It would be interesting to see a report without the magnet to see what kind of effect it is having.
I will give your report this, the Viscosity seems to be more stable than from my experience in the past. Though I still say that despite the Series 2000's billing from Amsoil that thier Series 3000 is a better oil.
On the TBN, I posted an analysis here on a 2001 Mustang GT with mileage very close to your and the TBN was within a few tenths of what yours is. If I remember the guidelines for the margin of error for test results it was on the order of 15%. To clarify that, the margin of errors was from two different labs running the same tests. They also have guidelines for two different people in the same lab running the same test, so there is some allowance there.
There was some news somewhere I read or heard from Amsoil, dont remember which, but they are/were supposed to tweak the Series 2000 a bit because of the thickening issue it had. The Series 3000 is the same cost but has shown to be a much more stable oil.
Thanks for posting the results, hope you come back and visit soon.
I will say that I believe the Mustang GT motor, 4.6L, does burns quite clean. When my friend told me he had the mileage he did on the oil I figured it would be turning colors at that time. However it was just as clean looking as the day it was poured in and I know 'cause I poured it in LOL. So its probably the fact that the 4.6L motor is a good motor.
I have many times thought about sending a sample to both OAI and Blackstone for quite sometime just to see what the difference would be. I agree 15% is significant as well sometimes it seems even greater than that. Its not variances in the test as the test follows a standardized proceedure, its the interpertive results that vary. The results of the test are most likely pretty identical from one lab to the next, but the guy looking at the results and interpreting the numbers may see something differently that the next person, so I believe that is where most of the variance is not in the test itself. I think on BITOG they have before sent in samples to different labs before, though I dont know if they were sent to OAI and Blackstone at the same time.
You sound like you are pretty darn well versed in lubrication, you work in the field or just BITOG educated , either one is good. I frequent BITOG and read a lot though I dont post all that often.
Oh, by the way, Im running ATM in my current vehicle since it called for a 10W30 and should have some test results this week, at least I hope so. OAI seems to move at a snails pace at times.
Im usually on AIM at work, but not on all that much at home. You can always email me and tell me you're on and I can hop on and we can chat a bit. Take care.
____________________ My car is a synner! It uses Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants.
2001 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP
It whines a lot, but I like it
, either one is good. I frequent BITOG and read a lot though I dont post all that often.